i've been reading a book called nonsense from the bible.
in it it makes the point that the romans did not crucify robbers.
having since researched this it seems this is true.
CalebInFloroda
While I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, of course, as a Jew I can attest that the details of the crucifixion attributed to this case do suggest he was crucified with theives
So why do Jehovah's witnesses "Swear" that Jesus did not die on a cross but instead a Tree or stake with no crossbeams.
i am wondering if there are any pro-jw blogs/sites that any of you visit and whether or not jws are aware of what is going on in australia.
also, what is there reaction to it?
(i may already know the answer to that last question.
In my area no one has a clue. I mentioned to some JWs if they had heard what was happening in Australia and went on to elaborate. They told me not to believe anything coming from Australia because it's an undeveloped country like Africa.
What else can I say?
there is an unfulfilled prophecy in daniel about the last king that will be broken without human hand.
the prophecy says he will be fierce-looking, deceptive, efficent in his doings, smart and causing ruin to many.
and he will exalt himself.
There is an unfulfilled prophecy in Daniel
It's amazing that so many people still believe that a dream or vision that some person had over 2,500 years ago is going to be fulfilled NOW.
why doesn't the wtbts just lie and increase the published amount of people who attend the memorial?
who would know the difference?
the same with the amount munching on the crackers and sipping the wine.
Why doesn't the WTBTS just lie and increase the published amount of people who attend the Memorial?
How do we know they aren't lying about the amount of publishers they have now? What if in reality they only have 5 million publishers world wide and are fudging the yearly increase in publishers and Memorial attendance? They lie about everything, why not the increases in publishers every year? would it be far-fetch to believe they are lying about increases in publishers world wide?
You just never know what's true anymore with the WT.
i always sit in the same spot, just outside starbucks in a vestibule area with a table in the air-conditioned space.
i say "always," but not today.. somebody with two laptops and a table filled with business ledgers was in "my" favorite spot!.
so, i took a tiny wooden table inside the coffee shop on a long padded bench next to 3 other identical tables.. as the clickbait banner ads like to say: "and what happened next was simply unbelievable!".
It's been an hour since the incident. I now feel a letdown.
I hurt those guys. I hurt them deeply. I don't feel so good about that.
It took something shocking like that to start waking me up, so NO you should not feel bad about the way you handled it. I bet this will start the waking up for those two jws. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but sooner or later they will start searching for more information. You planted the seed, there's no turning back for them.
in most of the scriptures, the supreme father figure is originally presented as upholder of the law that every action has equal and opposite reaction.
later writers would come presenting a son of god who would exhibit a soft approach towards consequences of action.
one of the best examples is john 7:53 to 8:11 which is now accepted as one of the most famous forgeries in the bible..
I know the Watchtower has never believed that the Bible was inspired and have said so many times in their publications.
*** watchtower 1996 4/15 p. 19 Why True Worship Receives God’s Blessing ***
Bible translations themselves are not inspired by God. Translations, by their very nature, may reflect variations of the understanding of the original tongues in which the Bible was recorded.
do you think that any of the clueless, amnesiacs that appeared before the rc will have a crisis of conscience over the abuse situation?
seriously, with the grilling they received from our new heroes, they would have to be sociopaths not to do some long hard thinking about the lack of empathy and compassion the borg displays as a top down policy towards abuse victims.
i can understand these idiots not having an awakening within the confines of their daily lives since they stay cloistered in their belief system, but the rc forced them into the real world with their questions and one would hope, made them think.
one would hope, made them think.
Those that wake up have a sense of justice and compassion in them. That's why many of us are here because we just couldn't take it anymore.
If any of those persons have any sense of decency, they will start waking up.
my understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth.
if thats true why would the org care?
send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... its a dog parking on a porch.
I'm with you on this Morpheus. With the exception that the RC has only "ONE" tooth, and it has a cavity. It's like the U.N. that is pictured as a wild ferocious beast, but in actuality it's just a big fat kitten crying for some more milk.
When I see one of these organizations sending several of these elders that covered up abuse to jail and forced the GB to testify and make them change their policy, then we can agree that it has teeth.
Until then, "Here kitty, kitty, kitty!
there was a time when the abuse issues in the catholic church were first starting to be exposed.. now, they were fully aware that they had the exact same issues that they too were covering up.. what did they choose to do?.
they could have "learnt" and said "man, that looks bad and we know we have the same problem - but at least we can learn something and put processes in place to make sure we clean up our act".. they could have done nothing themselves but refrained from criticized the catholic church knowing that they had the same skeletons in their own closet.. what did they actually do?.
they wen't full guns criticizing the catholics for something they knew they were completely guilty of as well, painting themselves as 'the good guys where this sort of thing would never happen' but the only processes they put in place were to tighten up how cover-ups were managed and to make sure the local elders knew how to silence any incidents.
sir82
They thought they'd never be caught.
Just like they think they can keep all the other skeletons in the closet locked away. There are so many skeletons that the doors to the closets are busting and they are being exposed to the whole world and to a great number of JWs, This is just the beginning.
i know that in english there are better pages exposing the organization, but here i updated the page (in spanish) with an article untitled "la organizacion jehovista oculta el abuso sexual" (the jehovist organization hides sexual abuse) based on the last news on "child abuse" in australia, and quoting watchtower's articles in which you can note how in this organization, the penitent pedophiles are in better position than the "apostates" who denounce the organization's absurdities .. http://jehovismo.com/.
for instance, i quoted the watchtower 1997 jan 1 p.29, where it is said that it is permitted for the penitent pedophile to preach door to door:.
if he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service, even have parts in the theocratic ministry school (the watchtower, january 1, 1997).
